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Saturday, April 20, 2013

In a world of wolves

There is a need for big dogs with sharp teeth to guard the sheep, especially the little lambs:
Rembrandt's phone rang at 3:15p.m. on a Saturday. He was on his way home from his grandson's karate tournament, about 5 miles from his Mesa home.

It was Sassy. A BACA kid was in trouble.

Her road name is Music, and she's 10. She belonged to a BACA chapter in another state but is now living in Arizona with her grandmother. That makes her Sassy's and Rembrandt's kid now.

Her abuser is in jail, but his family members had tracked the girl down in Arizona and were banging on the grandmother's front door, demanding that she turn the girl over to them, shouting up at the second-floor window where the child was huddled in her bedroom. Her grandmother called BACA and then dialed 911.

The bikers know the drill well. Rembrandt called those who live closest to him - Rock, Uno and Fat Daddy. He stopped to change out of his grandpa clothes - shorts, T-shirt and sandals - and put on his biker garb - jeans, boots, leather vest, holster and handgun.

The bikers carry weapons on stakeouts only when there is a threat against a child and they feel that as citizens they also could be threatened. Otherwise, Rembrandt says, they do not wear weapons around children. He says most of the bikers are licensed to carry concealed weapons.

Rembrandt stuffed water bottles into his saddle bags and jumped on his 2000 purple-and-orange Indian Chief.

By 3:40 p.m., the four men were on their way to Music, the rumble of their bikes announcing their arrival. Music's grandmother rushed outside when she heard them, hugging Rembrandt and giving him a piece of notebook paper with a description of the people and their license-plate number.

Sheriff's deputies had been there, she said, and had escorted the people out of the neighborhood. But it is a public street, and law-enforcement officers just don't have the manpower to stay for long. She feared that once the deputies left, the people would be back.

She was right. But when they did return later that evening, they saw something different: four big bikers, all wearing shades even in the dimming light, their motorcycles backed into the mouth of the driveway.

Rock had something resembling a cannon strapped to his leg; Rembrandt wore his gun on his hip.

To someone trying to mess with a little girl, a group of large, strong bikers sends a certain message, Rembrandt says. "It just has a different feel than a cop," he says. More unpredictable, maybe.

"Cops are actually handcuffed by specific rules and laws that we are not. A cop has to work within a framework," Rembrandt says. "You can flip off a cop. You don't want to flip off Rock." Just knowing that a biker doesn't have to follow rules or honor boundaries can intimidate a person trying to make trouble.

That night, Music's grandmother pitched a small tent in her granddaughter's bedroom, right under the window, so the little girl could look out the window whenever she wanted to see the bikers at the end of the driveway.

Bikers guarded the house in shifts for the next 2 1/2 days. Some rode two hours from Tucson, kept watch for eight hours and then rode home again.

They talked in low voices, and once Music was asleep, the red embers of their cigarettes glowed in the dark.
Bikers Against Child Abuse is an example of the vast superiority of the libertarian model based on good people freely contributing their time and energy to other individuals in their community to the statist model of permitting a parasite class to forcibly extracting resources from everyone and pay itself to pretend to address the problem through government regulations and bureaucracy.

I thought I'd post this since it strikes me as the sort of activity that some of the Ilk might find to be fulfilling, assuming any of you are capable of passing the required background checks.  BACA seems to go in more for road bikes and handguns than crotch rockets and fully tricked-out .50 caliber rifles with 4th Gen scopes, though.

It's a good cause. Sometimes, all that courage requires is the certain knowledge that somewhere out there, someone is looking out for you.

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71 Comments:

OpenID akatsukami April 20, 2013 10:19 AM  

"Rembrandt called those who live closest to him - Rock, Uno and Fat Daddy."

This, I opine, is a key circumstance. Four bikers -- indeed, four of anyone -- are much more than four times as effective as one.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2013 10:25 AM  

Its a pity. A BMW and a Steyr AUG would add a lot of cache.

Anonymous Godfrey April 20, 2013 10:26 AM  

Masculine men with guns make me feel uncomfortable and scared. The government should disarm them so I can feel secure. I don’t like men who act like a man. The government should stop that behavior. It’s intimidating and it reminds me of that of which I lack.

Anyone have a little lettuce I can nibble on?

Anonymous stevev April 20, 2013 10:39 AM  

cue A.man. Cry Vigilante!

Anonymous Dan in Tx April 20, 2013 10:43 AM  

Took my son on a benefit ride BACA was involved in late last year. I very much got the impression there are quite a few cops involved in their off duty time. I'm sure that comes in handy if an actual skirmish comes into play.

Anonymous Dan in Tx April 20, 2013 10:45 AM  

Oh and by that I mean in dealing with any government enforced repercussions afterward, not that cops are more adept in handling a bad situation.

Anonymous RobertEx April 20, 2013 10:48 AM  

I note she first called BACA, THEN 911. It think granny agrees that the libertarian solution is the better one.

Anonymous Salt April 20, 2013 10:48 AM  

@Nate

Yeah, and a Norton sporting a Mossberg pump.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 20, 2013 10:51 AM  

OT.

You have to be this tall to understand why Gore was robbed in 2000 but the reason is wonderful and ironic (in the popular sense.)

Sometimes that grand coalition of the dumb does not work the way the politicians want it to.

Blogger IM2L844 April 20, 2013 10:53 AM  

I like the concept, but I wonder if BACA is any less susceptible to being hornswoggled by the feminist's "man bad, woman good" meme than the rest of society. I would be inclined to think so if it weren't for the fact that I personally know some biker chicks with feminist streaks a mile wide who have incidentally (without a militant agenda) infiltrated the biker counter-culture community.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 20, 2013 10:53 AM  

Its a pity. A BMW and a Steyr AUG would add a lot of cache.

I think you mean "cachet". It's one of those fancy Frog words that has crept into English by the light of the full moon.

Blogger GF Dad April 20, 2013 10:57 AM  

I know some rabbits that would be appalled that these gentlemen might be placing themselves in a situation where they would have to take the law into their own hands.

Anonymous Steveo April 20, 2013 11:00 AM  

Very cool, but couldn't they cut down on their stake out time with some judicious assault with intent to commit bodily injury? When honest people sit on juries and look at something like that, the act is fully justifiable (regardless of what the law says) and the jury can decide as it chooses. I mean they can, until we go to bureaucratic fixed professional juries that have a union & pension and stuff we can.

Anonymous Susan April 20, 2013 11:04 AM  

Stuff like this warms my heart and reminds me that there are still very good people out there who aren't following the media agenda. Thanks for the Saturday heartwarmer.

Blogger Giraffe April 20, 2013 11:06 AM  

Poor girl's going to grow up with a thing for biker dudes.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2013 11:18 AM  

Shocking as it is... you know rifle mounts are not widely available for the BMW GS1150 or the RTs. JAC have been working on remedying this situation through fabrication.

Anonymous karsten April 20, 2013 11:22 AM  

Off topic, but I think you may wish to post about this.

I've become pretty unshockable, but this shocked even me:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/georgetown-university-and-men/georgetown-university-in-a-cover-up/

Anonymous demon April 20, 2013 11:24 AM  

This is the old school America that the world loved. The can do attitude that takes no crap from anyone whilst still being good decent people.

Anonymous Anonymous April 20, 2013 11:34 AM  

I wonder if BACA would consider me qualified, being that I am not even mildly intimidating and drive a Suzuki GZ250. I got the smoking thing down though (to my shame), and agree that if it's worth protecting I'm willing to stand in front of it with a gun. Wish I had something worth standing in front of.


- AK

Anonymous demon April 20, 2013 11:50 AM  

I think it is similar sort of actions that made the Church so good in times gone by. Moving away from this towards a social club/clique that alienates and induces apathy has been incredibly destructive. Many churches seem more interesting in accumulating wealth or having a social "retreat" at some resort than helping people...

Anonymous truelibertarian April 20, 2013 11:51 AM  

the libertarian model based on good people freely contributing their time and energy to other individuals in their community to the statist model of permitting a parasite class to forcibly extracting resources from everyone and pay itself

An excellent idea. Hey maybe we can apply this work! Henceforth everyone shall be fed and clothed, and only those inclined to "freely contribute their time an energy" need dig ditches or mine coal. Surely, nothing can go wrong with such a perfect plan!

Anonymous TheBrain April 20, 2013 12:22 PM  

An excellent idea. Hey maybe we can apply this work! Henceforth everyone shall be fed and clothed, and only those inclined to "freely contribute their time an energy" need dig ditches or mine coal. Surely, nothing can go wrong with such a perfect plan!

Were you on crack when you wrote this?

Blogger IM2L844 April 20, 2013 12:26 PM  

Surely, nothing can go wrong with such a perfect plan!

How about: "Everyone shall be fed and clothed and housed and provided for in every conceivable way from cradle to grave regardless of their personal ambitions or lack thereof and the onus to implement the plan shall be exclusively reserved for those with enough natural ambition, personal integrity and common sense to acquire and store necessary reserves."

Yeah, that's a much better plan.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard April 20, 2013 12:27 PM  

"Truelibertarian" brilliantly demonstrates why most of your race were born to be slaves. Among your other flaws, mankind is incapable of reading complete sentences that total more words than "see Spot run."

Blogger ApolloKioku April 20, 2013 12:36 PM  

Several good papers on this subject: "The Role of Subscription-Based Patrol and Restitution in the Future of Liberty”, "Private Property Anarchism: An American Variant", "An American Experiment in Anarcho-Capitalism", etc.

from Moss, Laurence:
The profit motive will then see to it that the most efficient providers of high-quality arbitration rise to the top and that inefficient and graft-oriented police lose their jobs. In short, the market is capable of providing justice at the cheapest price. According to Rothbard, to claim that these services are "public goods" and cannot be sold to individuals in varying amounts is to make a claim which actually has little basis in fact.

Anonymous Other Josh April 20, 2013 12:43 PM  

This is an awesome story. True men stand up for the oppressed and those taken advantage of.

Blogger tz April 20, 2013 12:48 PM  

Juxtaposed with the articles on false accusation of rape (either direct, or of child abuse in divorce), I'm not sure if a libertarian model would be good without first uprooting feminism.

Note how we just know the father and his entire family is guilty although it is "going through the courts".

I've not received an answer on how to handle things like due process, warrants, compelling witnesses (for either side), and the rest of the constitutional rights would be handled if I'm paying for results and not process.

What happens when the deputies show up to take the child away (one call to CPS, or if the Father is found innocent and manages to get a visitation injunction)? No good result will come when this happens - either the dogs will be shown to be toothless, or they will have to be willing to go to prison for violent crimes, and it is still unlikely to succeed - the Choirboys are a bigger gang.

Blogger Res Ipsa April 20, 2013 12:49 PM  

Good on them!

Anonymous Will Best April 20, 2013 1:00 PM  

@ Steveo

When honest people sit on juries and look at something like that, the act is fully justifiable (regardless of what the law says)

Going for jury nullification right now is a crap shoot. Too many people still have faith that the 748,293,487,324,023 laws that affect them are all just and necessary.

Blogger Leatherwing April 20, 2013 1:01 PM  

Andrew Vachss has done something similar with dogs for a while. Sometimes dogs are allowed to accompany child victims into the witness stand while the child testifies. Pisses off the dirt bags, but the child feels safe with a big dog next to him/her.

http://www.vachss.com/dogs/av_dogs/sheba.html

Also, his novels are pretty good. Dark, gritty, and violent.

Anonymous Steveo April 20, 2013 1:03 PM  

I appreciate your sentiment Will Best, I'll push hard for nullification on the jury; but I'll hang the darn thing if any way possible.

Anonymous Jill April 20, 2013 1:04 PM  

"Bikers Against Child Abuse is an example of the vast superiority of the libertarian model based on good people freely contributing their time and energy to other individuals in their community to the statist model of permitting a parasite class to forcibly extracting resources from everyone and pay itself to pretend to address the problem through government regulations and bureaucracy."

These are my sentiments exactly.

"...I'm not sure if a libertarian model would be good without first uprooting feminism."

Feminism is not necessarily correlated with statism. It happens to have gone that direction in this country after Marxist/Darwinian influence, which is why I'm always hesitant to call myself a feminist (aside from my contrariness in aligning myself with any group). Early feminism was an offshoot of enlightenment thinking and, therefore, went well with libertarian ideals. The desire for autonomy isn't a masculine attribute.


Anonymous Jack Amok April 20, 2013 1:09 PM  

I like the concept, but I wonder if BACA is any less susceptible to being hornswoggled by the feminist's "man bad, woman good" meme than the rest of society. I would be inclined to think so if it weren't for the fact that I personally know some biker chicks with feminist streaks a mile wide who have incidentally (without a militant agenda) infiltrated the biker counter-culture community.

Well, there are no guarantees, but in general, the more masculine the habits and hobbies of the man, the less susceptible he is to feminism. I don't think very many Gamma Rabbits are going to engage in freelance intimidation.

Anonymous rubberducky April 20, 2013 1:28 PM  

I've been told you meet the nicest people on a Honda. So sometimes only a Harley will do.

Anonymous rubberducky April 20, 2013 1:34 PM  

I disagree Jill. Feminism is always correlated with Marxism. The class struggle element of Marxism is natural door through to which the emancipation element of feminism cannot avoid. Back when the Soviet Union fell and caused an all-to-momentary crisis in belief among academia's Marxists, it was the feminists who took up the torch. It was they who plunged forward boldly expanding Marxist theory, showing the way. Pulled out all the stops to save it. That is no coincidence. Marxism is very important to feminists.

Blogger RobertT April 20, 2013 2:38 PM  

"But when they did return later that evening, they saw something different:"

I would have no problem if the bikers just killed them. Are they just strapping those cannons to their legs for show? They leave after 2 1/2 days and guess what? The perps will come back. Maybe they should be less dramatic in a glitzy kind of way and more lethal. This girl's life is basically ruined, and law enforcement could care less. Perps have their rights after all. No attempted kidnapping, no harassment, no nothing. They just come back.

Blogger IM2L844 April 20, 2013 2:40 PM  

Well, there are no guarantees, but in general, the more masculine the habits and hobbies of the man, the less susceptible he is to feminism. I don't think very many Gamma Rabbits are going to engage in freelance intimidation.

I think you're absolutely right, Jack. There's in nothing to worry about from the Gamma Rabbit Biker Club. My concern stems from not knowing exactly who these BACA members are and my personal experiences and residual affiliations with current members and former members of The Outlaws MC (definitively NOT rabbity gammas)which admittedly may be unique to my reference frame. Despite their record and reputation, they've always treated me with respect and dignity and on many occasions have sought me out to become involved with several of their charitable initiatives (Yes, they do a lot of that kind of thing). Honestly, in some ways (not all) I would be less concerned with the current members than I would be with the "reformed" former members who almost invariably join Bikers for Jesus and congregate at the local Emergent Church that preaches social and ecumenical tolerance as a linchpin. Their hearts are in the right place, but in my opinion their desire to make up for the past and do good is sometimes over-enthusiastically misguided by excessively liberal Emergent theology.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 20, 2013 2:46 PM  

Are the Boston bombers more like the Columbine shooters or the DC Snipers?

Anonymous The other skeptic April 20, 2013 2:51 PM  

Andrew Vachss has done something similar with dogs for a while. Sometimes dogs are allowed to accompany child victims into the witness stand while the child testifies. Pisses off the dirt bags, but the child feels safe with a big dog next to him/her.

Yeah, but does he restrict himself to only going after white Christian businessmen a la Law and Order SVU, or does he also go after You Know Who?

Anonymous Jack Amok April 20, 2013 2:57 PM  

My concern stems from not knowing exactly who these BACA members are and my personal experiences and residual affiliations with...former members who almost invariably join Bikers for Jesus and congregate at the local Emergent Church that preaches social and ecumenical tolerance as a linchpin. Their hearts are in the right place, but in my opinion their desire to make up for the past and do good is sometimes over-enthusiastically misguided by excessively liberal Emergent theology.

Yes, a valid concern. Like I said, no guarantees. But there are probabilities. The probability of a guy willing to strap on a gun and stand guard on a volunteer basis (as opposed to someone doing it for they pay and perks) surrendering to the Female Imperative is less than that of the average male member of society.

But any group can corrupt itself, and any successful group will be the target of outsiders seeking to corrupt it to their own purposes. That's why the Founders realized liberty was best served by dividing up power and casting it far and wide. No concentration of power could be trusted.

There is no Mount Doom in which we can destroy the Ring of Power. All we can do is bust it up into small fragments and fight against those who try to gather too many fragments together.

Blogger IM2L844 April 20, 2013 3:11 PM  

There is no Mount Doom in which we can destroy the Ring of Power. All we can do is bust it up into small fragments and fight against those who try to gather too many fragments together.

LOL! I sort of like that way of looking at it.

Anonymous Keeg April 20, 2013 3:43 PM  

Vox,

I can't thank you enough for posting this: I had no idea there was such an organization. I ride, have a clean record, and after reading the article, I intend to join. One of the chapters in my state meets 15 minutes from my house.

Blogger Leatherwing April 20, 2013 3:50 PM  

Yeah, but does he restrict himself to only going after white Christian businessmen a la Law and Order SVU, or does he also go after You Know Who?

I don't know, so I can't say. I know that he isn't hired by either parent and only represents the child. From what I've read about him in the past, he seems to pursue the guilty party regardless of who it is. But he does a fair amount of self-promotion and I just read today that he studied community organization under Saul Alinsky, so I wouldn't be terribly surprised if you're right.

Blogger tz April 20, 2013 6:55 PM  

Well, there are no guarantees, but in general, the more masculine the habits and hobbies of the man, the less susceptible he is to feminism. I don't think very many Gamma Rabbits are going to engage in freelance intimidation.

But it misses the point. Do you engage in "intimidation" (which is irrelevant if the threat of actual violence is not credible) WITHOUT verifying the client? It isn't just obvious feminists who do false accusations of rape. Would you suggest intimidation to enforce child support (I know of a case of about $30k in Detroit right now that could use help - is not paying not also "abuse"?).

Where do you start? Where do you end? Does anyone care about justice? Justice and Truth in this world require the virtue of patience and other virtues. For all the complaints of government violating rights, I don't see how it is better to have mobs of libertarians who have personally after about 3 seconds of thought decided to be judge, jury, and executioners.

Anonymous Kyle In Japan April 20, 2013 7:58 PM  

Although these dudes are probably way more dangerous, I should point out that Japanese bikers look dramatically cooler than their American counterparts.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 20, 2013 8:17 PM  

Do you engage in "intimidation" (which is irrelevant if the threat of actual violence is not credible) WITHOUT verifying the client?

I think you're worried about a different question. I was addressing the question of whether a group of freelance enforcers are likely to be, shall we say, seduced by the Female Imperative. I think they are less likely based on being less likely to forget about their masculinity. Whether they can be tricked by a "client" is another matter.

Anonymous Anonymous April 20, 2013 8:37 PM  

Libertarianism is the real leftism, the 'withering away of the state', according to Rothbard. It's impossible to wholeheartedly embrace.

Authentic Catholic social teaching recognises the ontological reality/political dignity of groups, of social wholes, e.g. the natural family is as real a thing as the individual (you simply can't get the latter without the former). It takes the principle of subsidiarity seriously, local communities, closer to the issues are free to regulate their own lives - this function has been assimilated by despotic central rule.

Libertarian rhetoric might be tactically useful in our present predicament, but no one should be in any doubt that prima facie it represents an extreme of one pole (the devil brings lies into the world two at a time) of the modern error of Lockean radical invididualism which logically produces a massive state that mediates and polices between atomised individuals. Common goods don't 'really' exist in the same way that the ego does under libertariansm. As Hannah Arendt explained, the essence of totalitarianism is the destruction of intermediary institutions between the individual and the state, most importantly family and church.

Freedom absent a fleshed out understanding of what it's for, what this human nature is, (you can't get a human without relationship and society) is abstract in the same way revolutionary liberalism is abstract. Anyway Burke went through all this. And Ferrara recently in his 'Liberty: the god that failed'.

Like the anthropological premises contained in C19th capitalism "man lives by bread alone" gave birth to communism which accepts the same premise, global internationalist liberalism, which makes a fetish of state administered freedom, gives birth to its ideological child, libertarianism. He has learned his lessons from his parents well, but feels it is a species of courage to take the error to its logical conclusion.

Ultimately doctrinaire libertarianism transfers power to the rule of tribal big man corporations who really do believe a vietnamese worker 'freely' enters into contract for $0.80c a day. Zuckerberg pays Indians a pittance to moderate the hellish stuff people want to post to Facebook. The Archangel 'the market' communicates what humans are under libertarianism. No matter what libertarians say, their premises lead to it.

Libertarianism for those that embrace it, still means the rule of the rich, but without the pretense of state/legal mediation.

It is Aristotle/Aquinas and Catholic Social teaching or our intellectual resources are largely wasted.

Anonymous p-dawg April 20, 2013 8:55 PM  

@Anonymous: "really do believe a vietnamese worker 'freely' enters into contract for $0.80c a day"

Am I to understand that it is your belief that people in Vietnam are not capable of making their own decisions? What do you have against the Vietnamese?

Anonymous Jack Amok April 20, 2013 9:20 PM  

@Anonymous: "really do believe a vietnamese worker 'freely' enters into contract for $0.80c a day"

Am I to understand that it is your belief that people in Vietnam are not capable of making their own decisions? What do you have against the Vietnamese?


I think he's pissed about the competition.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey April 20, 2013 9:25 PM  

The church used to have a group like this: they were called Deacons. I can remember when I was I kid and Daddy and a few other deacons went to visit a fellow member who had repeatedly stepped out of line with a woman who was not his wife. Momma iced his hand when he got home. The man immediately repented.

Now they mow lawns for unwed mothers and prove their manilness by crying anytime we sing a Chris Tomlin song.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2013 10:03 PM  

"Although these dudes are probably way more dangerous, I should point out that Japanese bikers look dramatically cooler than their American counterparts."

These are only one segment of american bikers. The other segments look entirely different... from sportbike rockstars to armored up adventure rider psychopaths.

Anonymous MendoScot April 20, 2013 10:04 PM  

Vacchs is a siren call.

Lovely to read, cathartic to imagine that we could eliminate the perverts in a blast of righteous violence. He even acknowledges that women are intimately involved in the exploitation of children.

The only redeeming characteristic of his his dark hero, the sexually abused Burke, is that he will do anything "for the children". Even support the extremes of feminism and justify them as women warriors, wolves defending other people's cubs.

The man has a complicated history, not unrelated to communism. His website no longer carries the personal information that made me pull back when I read it.

Take care of the kids, but watch who you lay down with.

Anonymous Porky, Truffles of Wisdom April 20, 2013 10:23 PM  

The very second that a group like this takes on a corporate identity (elects officers, incorporates, builds a web-page, purchases property, accepts donations, appoints a treasurer and takes out a corporate bank account) it's already too late.

It's corrupt, and cannot be trusted.

Community policing is a great idea. In order to limit corruption it should be limited to members of the immediate community, working for free, with absolutely no interest in developing an international presence.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2013 10:52 PM  

Porky
All biker gangs have officers. All of them. Equating them with what you think of as corporate... is an error.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother April 20, 2013 10:53 PM  

BACA seems to go in more for road bikes and handguns than crotch rockets and fully tricked-out .50 caliber rifles with 4th Gen scopes, though.

What about an orange 69 Charger and a FAL?

Blogger Nate April 20, 2013 10:56 PM  

cager.

Anonymous Porky April 20, 2013 11:37 PM  

@Nate

Yeah, I watch SOA too.

If I need help I call friends or family. And they wouldn't be like Rock and Fat Daddy sitting on their butts smoking cigarettes for two and a half days.

It's a nice thing these guys are doing. I applaud anybody who donates their time for this. But labor unions seem like a good idea at first too. Then something changes. Power begets more power - every - single - time.

Family and community. That's as far as it needs to go.

Blogger mike albee April 21, 2013 5:52 AM  

Sandpiper is a member of the Publishing Marketing Association, (PMA) and listed in Literary Market Place.

book publicity

Blogger Nate April 21, 2013 9:26 AM  

"Yeah, I watch SOA too. "

Ya know mate... you may have learned everything you know from watching a show on TV. Its idiotic to assume that everyone learns everything the same way.

Ever met any actual Hells Angels? Would you recognize them if you saw them?

Their bikes are setup completely differently than the poser bikes you see parked in front of Hooters. No ape hangers... no forward controls. No stupid fringe hanging off their bars. They spend hours and hours a day on them running money and drugs all over the country. They aren't set up to look cool. They are set up to ride.

Here's a thought. Try getting out and doing something. You'll learn a lot more about the real world.

Anonymous Clay April 21, 2013 9:48 AM  

I was a very, very, young punk,with long hair way past my shoulders. I had just turned 18. My best friend's Baptist church was gonna make a Vaction/pilgrimage/prostowhatthey'everlizing, down to Silver Spings, FL, and then onto Disney World. We stopped the bus at a Krystals's to eat. Well, me, being me, I saw a bar across the highway. So, when I was sure no one was looking, guess where I ran to?

Being youg and stoopid, I didn't even notice the thirty or so bikes in the parking lot.

So, I bust up in there, out of breath, and the bar tendress is HAWT! That didn't help. I just said, barely, "May I have a ScrewDriver?

Next thing I know, this 250 lb guy comes over, picks me up, spins me around so we're face-to-face, and says, "what do you want"?

Bar girl says "a screwdriver...he says it's his first time to be able to buy a drink".

He puts me down, tells the girl to give me my drink, make it good, and put it on his tab. Once I got the drink, "Big Man" just said "C'mon".

We went all the way to the back of the bar, and sat dowm at a table, with a dude leaning back, and was just nice as hell. I'm pretty sure he was the "Chief". They just said, " drink up", and not another word. I downed that thing, and got back across the highway as fast as I could.

BUT. Those Bandidos were just as nice to me as I wish all folks would be.

Anonymous bobert April 21, 2013 2:26 PM  

I think he's pissed about the competition.

They are only competition in the sense that slave labor is a competition to free labor.

They are not freely entering into these exploitative contracts - corporations and governments seriously oppress these people and leave them with no other options.

I guess the global race to the bottom in terms of working conditions, working hours, and wages is nice so long as it doesn't affect you and lets you buy cheap crap from walmart.

Once you get replaced by some outsourced slave, once you are unable to sacrifice more of your life on the altar of crony capitalism, maybe then you will understand.

If you think these folks are really such good 'competition' - competition that is good for the market - let's see how you would like their working conditions.

How does 80-100 hrs a week for a few dollars a week sound to you?

Anonymous LL April 21, 2013 8:08 PM  

@Porky, a charity that runs on such little funds with so many chapters is not out to soak the public. Look at the Red Cross and the millions paid to the staff, THAT is where you should have issues but a small organization like this, which uses most of its funds to give things to small, abused children, that is a sane, fine organization. I did a Charity Navigator check and there were a handful of local branches with $0 in assets/revenue and a couple of others with well below the $1mil threshhold that Charity Navigator uses to rate.

Anonymous truelibertarian April 21, 2013 9:15 PM  

How does 80-100 hrs a week for a few dollars a week sound to you?

As there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in sweat shops.

Blogger Nate April 21, 2013 9:20 PM  

"As there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in sweat shops."

That's because the libertarians own them.

And you only have a problem with that because you have a problem with voluntary exchange.

Anonymous truelibertarian April 21, 2013 9:38 PM  

That's because the libertarians own them.

Great, then you'll have no objection if we throw into a third world cesspool. Doubtless, you'll be up on top in no time, through "voluntary exchange" no less. Wait, aren't you that bitch who has his wife bring in all the money into the house? Must be nice not having to work tomorrow.

Anonymous truelibertarian April 21, 2013 9:52 PM  

And you only have a problem with that because you have a problem with voluntary exchange.

By this logic you'd be just fine getting robbed at gunpoint, since you'd be "voluntarily" giving your money over (on pain of a hole in the head). The perp wouldn't be exploiting your weak position, he would simply be making a valid transaction in the great libertarian spirit.

Anonymous Porky April 22, 2013 8:46 AM  

I did a Charity Navigator check and there were a handful of local branches with $0 in assets/revenue and a couple of others with well below the $1mil threshhold that Charity Navigator uses to rate.

First one I found had income of $363,000 last year.

That's a lot of lollipops for the kids.

Corrupt.

Got a problem with an abuser? Call a couple friends, take the guy out in the woods and tie him to a tree and speak very convincingly to him not to do it anymore.

Results in minutes. No need to call some money laundering operation who will send a couple of complete strangers named "Fat Sam" and "Freak Juice" out to your house.

Anonymous LL April 22, 2013 10:59 AM  

They are not necessarily there to administer a beatdown to an abuser. They are there for the kids, to give them comfort, so that the kids understand that there is someone who looks and feels powerful watching their backs. No one is forcing you to donate to this organization or volunteer your time. I doubt giving children vests with patches and some support is a money laundering operation, but your declarations indicate you are quite cynical of people trying to do "good works." I feel sorry for you.

Anonymous Porky April 22, 2013 2:37 PM  

They are not necessarily there to administer a beatdown to an abuser

They should be.

They are there for the kids, to give them comfort, so that the kids understand that there is someone who looks and feels powerful watching their backs.

I've already said I think that what they are doing is very nice.

No one is forcing you to donate to this organization or volunteer your time.

Comforting.

I doubt giving children vests with patches and some support is a money laundering operation, but your declarations indicate you are quite cynical of people trying to do "good works."

I'm not cynical of people doing good works. I'm cynical of people. We are corrupt. Not one of us is any good. Not one.

I feel sorry for you.

For advocating family and small community instead of drug-running strangers named "Kickstand" and "Krazy Karl"?

Enjoy your pity party, sweetheart.


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